This is big news in the UK at the moment.
www.news.google.com/news/i/story?ncl=dLgTCG3fpDUSWMM4QzRmT-O4MnvUM&q=jehovah&lr=English&hl=en
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by Researchedandenlightened inhttp://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/484952/uk-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-abuse-cover-up
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Could the Independent Inquiry in England and Wales expose jw.org's child abuse failures? And how can we help?
by defender of truth inwith all the talk about the org's policies and failures regarding child sexual abuse being publically exposed in australia, i thought that it may be a good time to highlight this... i apologise if this has already been discussed, but on the 9th of july the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales was opened.
here is some information regarding it's aims.. "about the inquiry.
the inquiry offers an unprecedented opportunity to examine the extent to which institutions and organisations in england and wales have taken seriously their responsibility to protect children.. the inquiry will investigate a wide range of institutions including:.
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defender of truth
Well done, Lost and adrift.
If you know of any who had personal experience of mishandled abuse cases, you could always let them know about the Inquiry. It can be done online, securely and anonymously:
www.iicsa.org.uk/share-your-experience
Personal hearings are another option, for those who want someone to listen to their story and receive support, in person.
Jo Wood, of Rasa, said: “It’s a really important part of the independent inquiry that victims and survivors of child sexual abuse have the opportunity to share their experiences, but equally important that they get given access to the appropriate support before during and afterwards. We look forward to working with the inquiry … to make sure the sharing of experience happens in as sensitive and supportive way as possible.”
www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/11/child-abuse-inquiry-victims-testimony-hearings-liverpool
The Truth Project, which will start in October this year [2015] is to allow victims and survivors to share their experiences with the Inquiry, either anonymously, by letter or in person.
Their accounts will be taken and they will be invited to leave an anonymised message which will be published alongside the Inquiry’s reports.
www.lawandreligionuk.com/2015/08/06/safeguarding-and-the-goddard-inquiry/
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Jehovah's Witnesses accused of covering up historic sex abuse
by defender of truth inwww.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12073247/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-covering-up-historic-sex-abuse.html
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Joe Grundy
WT/JW is not the only organisation to hide abuse, but it happens to be my chosen target.
I continue to refer stuff I find to the UK charity Commission, to UK Enquiry Commissions [Independent Inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales], and to the media.
Same here. Keep up the good work;)
I believe that the Independent Inquiry in the UK may still investigate the JW's at some point.
To anyone else reading this-
If you are interested in the Independent Inquiry, or why I still think the JW organization could be investigated further down the line, please see here:
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2016 JW Yearbook out now and online
by JWchange inlatest numbers: 1.5% increase from 2014:.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/2016-yearbook/2015-grand-totals/ .
interesting sections: .
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defender of truth
Wirerider:
And how much of the $236 million dollars was paid to local communities for fire/police/ambulance services and protection for KH and members.
Roads, Feed the homeless, community support, community benefit all?
Why does the Watchtower get any tax exempt status as purely a blight on society? Why am I paying taxes to support their services?
Great points. These are questions that every American should be asking.
You may want to have a look at these articles:
www.trofire.com/2015/12/27/the-u-s-is-subsidizing-religion-to-the-tune-of-71-billion-a-year/
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Jehovah's Witnesses accused of covering up historic sex abuse
by defender of truth inwww.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12073247/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-covering-up-historic-sex-abuse.html
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defender of truth
I apologize if the above has already been posted. On a related note..
Has anyone else heard about this?>>
The UK Government has been asked to introduce mandatory reporting to police whenever an allegation of child sex abuse is made within the faith group.
Concern over the number of "hidden" victims has prompted campaigners to hand a letter to Downing Street calling on the government to take action.
www.news.stv.tv/scotland/1330094-jehovahs-witnesses-child-abuse-victims-may-never-see-justice/
Nick French's story:
www.jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/gary-moscrop-convicted-10-years-for-child-molestation
If anybody wants to ask him about whether he got any response, or just send messages of support:
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Jehovah's Witnesses accused of covering up historic sex abuse
by defender of truth inwww.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12073247/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-covering-up-historic-sex-abuse.html
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Do our loved pets come back when we do?
by Nichole ini have recently started studying and im really enjoying learning all about the truth!
i am a huge animal lover and have my dog trixie for 11 years now, i got her when i was 12 years old and she has been the best friend and companion, i am so lucky and grateful to have her at my side every single day!
i get worried a lot about what will happen when the time comes that she has to leave me, anytime i even think about it i start to cry because it would break my heart not to have her with me anymore!
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defender of truth
Hi Nichole, and welcome:)
The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no animals will ever receive a ressurection of any kind.
"Though animals die in the same manner as man, they do not share his hope of a resurrection."
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000281
You may find this topic to be of interest:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/222352/theists-why-does-god-allow-suffering?page=73
Please come back with any questions you may have, we're here to help ;)
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Cold Steel 9 days ago
I'm not quite sure the JWs believe that animals will be resurrected..
They do not, I assure you.
According to the Watchtower, this short and often painful existence is all that animals have.
"Though animals die in the same manner as man, they do not share his hope of a resurrection."
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000281
You also stated the following, as though it were a fact:
As for the animals and humans who didn't survive in the flesh, they continued to survive in the spirit, as the apostle Peter noted of those who perished in the flood;
Your claim has no evidence whatsoever to support it.
Furthermore, animals receiving a resurrection after they were killed by God in the Flood, is not even stated in the Bible.
If you wish to contribute something useful to this thread, please can you at least do a little research and provide us with some evidence for your claim, or maybe even read the book you are citing as a reference (ie the Bible).
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Footnote:
* For anyone who is unsure of the verses that he's referred to, but not even bothered to quote, here they are*
"18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day,..."
www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-peter/3/
"Some people believe this passage teaches that during the three days his body was in the tomb, Jesus went into the spirit-world of the imprisoned lost. At that time, according to this theory, the Lord preached the gospel to those who died lost during the time of Noah’s flood."
www.christiancourier.com/articles/99-preaching-to-the-spirits-in-prison
Completely irrelevant to the topic of animal suffering, of course..
But don't blame me, he brought it up. Just so everyone knows what he is referring to. (As far as I can tell)
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Why don't you do anything?
by WireRider ini'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).
i joined the blog a few weeks ago.
i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.
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defender of truth
Not everyone can cope without their family/support system.
A total outsider with nothing to lose cannot even begin to understand the situation. There is no empathy, where there is no understanding.
Further, a thread like this accomplishes nothing.. It has no effect.
Except for perhaps making a few people feel guilty for choosing to sacrifice their freedom to speak their mind, in order to stay in touch with loved ones.
Those who are motivated to leave and are capable of it, will do so. An organised walkout will not add any further motivation for those scared of losing their families.
A million JW's could disassociate themselves tomorrow, and I would still remain an active JW. (My family are all 100% hardcore believers..)
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From your OP:
" I get the sense that all 35% or more don't like it - don't believe in it - feel it's a burden - ...hate to go - feel trapped. That is ridiculous.
The only thing propping them up is that 35% smile and pretend nothing is wrong - encouraging active members that all is good - and enticing new members to electro-shock religion because soooo many people appear to be members. The person next to you probably feels just as trapped as you but can't say anything.
They hate it too but put on a smile and don't want to get caught. They're scared to get caught. They may be there just because so many fake people that hide too all still go.
Pull the plug. Stop going so that they cannot claim so many numbers and sound so appealing to draw more people in. Shout. Shout a warning to all that this is not where they want to be.
Those that do still attend are supporting them - in numbers and presence - stop it."
The total number of JW's will not make their insane teachings, controlling propaganda and boring routine of field service and indoctrination, any more or less appealing.. Not to a single person, in my view. Other factors attract people to this group.
And regarding those on the inside of the organisation, those who may be faking it ..
If you know that your family and friends are not believers, it's all a big social club to them, and thus they would be ready to walk away if you were to do so.. Great.
If you are sure that your circle of friends and family is that laid back about "the Truth", then why bother to walk out? You are already as good as free. Just do the inactive fade-away thing.
Of course, if your family are not motivated by your 'bold stand for what you believe in', because they believe it all, so they treat you as though you were dead.. Ah well, you've only lost everybody who is important to you, eh? Never mind (!). At least you have lowered the attendance figures and no longer support the mostly irrelevant little cult known as the Watchtower.. How happifying.
Encouraging people to walk away purely because others may follow you out of the door, is a bit like encouraging people to play Russian roulette, in my view. Unless you already know which of the chambers are loaded (ie knowing which people in your family and friends don't believe any more), or you have nothing to lose (in terms of family and friends), then why would anyone take the risk?
Why should I destroy my life and lose my family, just to DA and subtract one number from a total on a worldwide report?
There is nothing ridiculous about a person being afraid of losing their family and friends, their whole support system.
Each one must carry his own load. ;)
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41 Theses on Blood: My "best of" questions/arguments on JW Blood Ban
by Check_Your_Premises inon the earth you should pour it out as water.. from these verses it is clear that there is an old testament prohibition against eating blood.
if not, why do you think it is sacred?
so whenever a person took the life of an animal, they were to drain the blood and not drink it because the blood represents the life and not theirs to take without god's permission.
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defender of truth
Some food for thought here..
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/204070001/watchtower-right-about-blood
